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Sorcery and Clarke's Third Law[]

There are some fairly powerful hints in the books that sorcery is, essentially, technology--though a highly advanced, and quite probably magical, technology. The various incantations seem to be corruptions of terms that would be familiar to users of modern technology. ("Denekin allasir"--"DNA analyzer," "Pau'ron"--"Power on: Yes," "yz'raksis nyuyz'r"--"User Access: new user," and so forth.) The combat wand used at the beginning of Misenchanted Sword sounds very much like a multi-function rifle of some sort, and so forth.

Has there ever been any Word of God on this subject? It's strongly implied, but never clearly stated as fact.

AFAIK, there has not. Now that you point it out it seems pretty obvious, but I'd never seen that before. It would be a heck of a thing given the existence of "science" as a minor school of magic. The other side is the inverse of Clarke's Third Law (I don't remember what I've heard it cited as) which is "Any sufficiently advanced enough magic is indistinguishable from technology." I'd be interested in a comment on that.DarkerDreams 23:00, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
As would I. Keep in mind that the Towers of Lumeth are sorcerous in nature; by extension, then, it seems likely (and is suggested in the new serial) that the Aldagmor Source is also sorcerous in nature, and that sounds a whole LOT like some sort of spacecraft or probe with a distress beacon, doesn't it? (Oh: and the inverse of Clarke's Third Law is usually attributed to Larry Niven.) BPierce 23:05, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
I think one of the "problems" with any consistent set of rules for a type of magic- eventually it innately starts to map real world phenomena- even if it doesn't when the writer creates it pushing the boundaries of science generally find something that does (quantum entanglement is one of my current favorite ways of making "but this is impossible" melt.) That's part of what drive the Clarke/Niven's Law paring. To throw another out; fiction is constrained to be believable, reality has no such limitation. I'm really looking forward to an eventual story with a sorcerer protagonist to get a glimpse behind that curtain. DarkerDreams 15:19, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
I wonder...would sorcery also be referred to as "gaja-try?" ;) BPierce 14:45, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
The Sorcerer's Widow has the term gob opo zishin, which could mean Global Position. They are described as being blue and being shiny on one side. The gaja (-try) idea is interesting. A sorcerer could have said that they are powered by gadgets or something and was misunderstood. Raphfrk 22:18, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
"Global Position" is certainly a possibility. I was thinking Something-opposition, which makes less sense. "Fil drepessis" certainly seems like "Field repossesses" or something similar. I'm looking forward to this book quite a bit... BPierce 03:34, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
My latest guess for "Fil drepessis" is "Fire and Forget". That makes sense given what it does.
You set it down and then run away, and the warning is probably "Clear the area". Another option would be dropping it from a plane or leaving it somewhere on a timer.
Forget doesn't quite match the "sis" of the ending, but it does have the right rythme. The idea seems to be that it represents what would happen if you took a random English word and then tried to map it to an alphabet that doesn't really have the right sounds, even though English is the start and end of the term. I guess we are technically going English to Ethsharitic and then back to English, but I think the errors are just supposed to be representative.
Raphfrk 14:35, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
Here's some word of God: "Denekin allasir" is not from "DNA analyzer." The "analyzer" part is okay, but it's not "DNA."
So far, no one's correctly identified "fil drepressis." I expect someone will get it in another chapter or two.
Also, while some names are indeed derived from modern scientific/technological terminology, this doesn't mean sorcery is technology.
LWE 00:13, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
Hmm. Well...as I recall the book, it analyzed the little fragments left behind. Dermic
analyzer, perhaps? In any event, thanks for letting us know, LWE! BPierce 01:55, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
My guess at "fil drepressis" is "field repair sys[tem]". 37.144.63.50 21:40, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Initiates of the Inner Mysteries[]

Reference extracted from a comment in an SFF post 14 Jul 2010 12:41:00 GMT DarkerDreams 13:56, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Details on Talismans[]

- Many talismans can be used by anyone (second post on http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.written/browse_thread/thread/f6b1b59111baee2b/415563cb1a03618c?q=ethshar&lnk=nl&)

- Talismans still being made: quoted in http://groups.google.com/group/bu.localpostings/browse_thread/thread/f8871f0b6e766587/334742d087b85fda?q=ethshar+talismans#334742d087b85fda

- A sorcerer is one who can make or repair a talisman: about two-thirds down the page on http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.written/browse_thread/thread/c544d8f76c0e4eb6/c56dbb39e5046082?q=ethshar+talismans# AndyCooke 21:06, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

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